I’m seriously confused about this trenchcoat thing. Guy Bee was the one who said it was Jensen’s idea to keep in in the first place. Now suddenly it’s ‘awkward’ that Dean kept it in the trunk? And that it symbolized Dean’s hope Cas might one day return? That the actors are calling it ‘gay’ and ‘awkward’ is really pissing me off.
Because it’s a beautiful symbolic moment just the way it SHOULD have been. And belittling the symbolism of it just because they might be what…? afraid? worried? uncomfortable? that some might view it as symbolic AND romantic really annoys me. Just… don’t mock the importance of the friendship between Dean and Cas. And surely the actors realize the two character’s friendship goes beyond the scope of a normal every-day friendship. And Dean keeping the coat was a great way to show that. So of course him giving it back was going to be significant.
ugh… I’m just repeating myself now because I’m frustrated and annoyed so I’m just gonna stop now.
Sometimes I think a lot of what the actors and writers say is a more subtle way of jumping out in every scene and yelling “NO HOMO! I KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MIGHT BE QUEER BUT IT’S A FALSE ALARM AND LOL, GAY PEOPLE ARE FUNNY!”
“Corny”, in this context, seems to be another way of saying “implies queerness” but without sounding like they’re prejudiced against queer people.
yeah, exactly. probably also a little gender-role-policing, too, especially given the way Dean is hypermasculine. like it’s “corny” for men to be expressing emotions other than sex, drugs, and rock’n’roll; it’s “corny” for men to be saying things like “I really missed you.” I mean, god forbid Dean ever grow out of that and become an emotionally healthy human being.
Oh yeah, probably. Cas can be seen as masculine in that he doesn’t express (or always even feel) emotions, so arguably him expressing love/caring about someone would be corny. But Supernatural has had much worse scenes, plus, if it were with a woman, they’d probably see it as a bit corny but necessary, because it would be more acceptable.
Dean needs to grow up and become an emotionally healthy human being. Also Cas needs to learn how to express his emotions (and how to react to others’ emotions). Male =/= emotionless (and it shouldn’t!).
MEN AREN’T ALLOWED TO HAVE FEELINGS. SO STOP FEELING YOUR FEELS, GUYS, AND POLICE YOUR EMOTIONS! YOU’RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE FRIENDS EITHER. THEY MAKE YOU HAVE FEELS! /sarcasm.
both Jensen and Misha mentioned they thought the scene from episode 7.17 where Dean gave Castiel his coat back was a little ridiculous. But a fan brought up the scene again today during their panels again today. Jensen said: “Misha and Bob Singer, who was directing that episode, we were crying-laughing at how ridiculous it was that I had his jacket nicely folded in the trunk of the car…and not even the Impala, but a stolen car. There was no reason for the jacket to be in the trunk of that car. And Bob was like ‘just do it, alright?!’ Then we started saying the dialogue out loud and it…it was so bad. There was a line [Misha] said that he couldn’t get out because it was so ridiculous, so we changed it. [The trench coat] was so perfectly folded with the tie and the collar and Bob’s like ‘can you present it so we can see what it is’ and I was like ‘no! No, I can’t!’ Know that we have problems shooting scenes sometimes.”
Later, during the joint panel, Jensen explained that the line was “so out of character”, they couldn’t get it out. The dialogue would have basically indicated that Dean petted the coat. They had to completely change it. “We asked ourselves how we could have changed it around to make it more believable for these characters.” They think that two men probably wouldn’t have gone on like the conversation did.